16th Mar, 2007

The Turkish Lira Carry Trade: High Interest Rate, Stable Currency

For the past few years, probably the most popular currency trading strategy is that known as the Carry Trade. Traders feel they are acting as banks, keeping the interest rate differentials by paying out lower interest rates (Borrowing) and bringing in money through higher interest rates (Lending). The best part about this type of trade is that you not only keep the interest rate differential, but you can also leverage that interest rate differential to create a pseudo-residual dividend payment.

The basic premise behind the carry trade is that in any FOREX transaction you are simultaneously selling one currency and buying another; therefore, you are simultaneously borrowing at one interest rate and investing at another interest rate. For example, we want to go long the US Dollar and short the Japanese Yen (a popular currency to short in a carry trade). We are, in fact, able to borrow our Yen at .8% and we are able to invest in US Dollar at 4.925%; thus, we are able to keep the interest rate differential of 4.125%. But the carry trade doesn’t just stop at the 4.125%. Because FOREX brokers offer retail investors leverage, traders can leverage that interest rate spread many more times; however, at the same time, they are exponentially adding to their risk.

For instance, if I had a $10,000 account balance and I was looking at buying the US Dollar and selling the Yen, I could potentially invest up to 50 times my account balance. With such a leverage, I would get a margin call very quickly if that trade turned against me. Continuing with this example, let’s say that I go long 50,000 units of the USD/JPY, meaning that I am leveraged 5 times, I would make $2,065.86 in interest a year from this trade (or 20.66%), with a margin call limit of 98.03, when the USD/JPY is currently trading at approximately 116. While this may sound good, if the trade were to all of a sudden go against me, and the Yen started to appreciate or the US Dollar started to depreciate or both, I could potentially be exposed to risk which is now multiplied by the leverage percentage. Thus, if the USD/JPY fell 10%, you would lose about 50% of your investment when leveraged 5 times.

That brings me to my next example of a carry trade—one that doesn’t really need to be leveraged, but could be if you are willing to take on the risk. Even leveraging this carry trade 2 times would yield a 34% return via interest payments + or - any currency movements. The trade I am talking about involves the Turkish Lira (TRY), which currently has an interest rate near 17% in a much improved economic situation. With that type of interest rate, you are able to borrow at lower, more reasonable rates and invest at a much higher rate. Although investing in an exotic/emerging currency is much higher risk, this type of interest rate spread gives you at most roughly a 17% (minus the interest rate in which you borrowed) cushion against either the Lira depreciating by 17% or another currency against the Lira appreciating by 17%.

An interesting trade that I have noticed is that of Long TRY (Turkish Lira) and Short CNY (Chinese Yuan). You may be wondering why in the world I would take a short position against a currency that is being appreciated artificially by its government and carries a current domestic interest rate around 6%. However, at Oanda.com where I have my FOREX brokers account, they have the interest rate set to -1%; since it would be a popular long position, they have set it up to encourage people to short the currency because of its long-term attractive Long investment. Basically, the idea with the New Turkish Lira and the Chinese Yuan is that I would be paid 18% in interest payments a year (17% from the Turkish Lira + 1% from the Yuan Short) and if the investment is leveraged 2 times, it will make 36% a year in just interest income. The other good news about this trade is that it has been relatively stable, despite one pretty noticeable fall of roughly 20% in the Lira from May 2006 to June 2006. The fall followed a steady appreciation of the Turkish Lira due to the carry trade, and the massive sell off was mainly due to speculators and hedge funds artificially manipulating the market. Even with the 20% drop, there was still the cushion of the 18% interest rate differential to help protect the downside.

The idea here is that if I had a $10,000 account balance and I decided that I wanted to invest 2 times that amount ($20,000) into the Long TRY/Short CNY trade, I would be making $9.56 a day from this position (interest is paid 365 days a year), or $3,489.91 a year in interest on my $10,000 investment. Plus, with my account, I am being paid a rate of 4.925%, which is approximately $1.35 in interest a day, or a total of $492.50 in interest payments a year. The account would be receiving about $3,982.41 a year in interest payments, for a total return of 39.82% a year, which one should consider a terrific return on investment. This is a fairly conservative trade; many people would leverage it much higher. This would increase the risk, though, which I don’t find completely necessary when an investment with minimal risk has such good returns. You can play around with different investment amounts and the interest that you can expect to receive using the Oanda Interest Calculator.

Here is the graph of the TRY/CNY since Turkey had introduced the New Turkish Lira:



And another graph of the TRY/CNY showing the drop in May to June 2006:



And lastly, a graph of the TRY/CNY over the past 6 months and the relative stability:

I think what the last few months show that, perhaps, the Chinese are seeing the opportunities of being able to invest into an economy that is exhibiting such a high interest rate, thus the Chinese may be selling their Yuan currency holdings and purchasing Turkish Lira to either make investments in their stock market or into their fixed income investments. Overall, I think that an 18% interest rate is very well worth the risk of making a bet on the direction of two emerging economies. Other possibilities of carry trades can include the ultimate carry trade currency, the Brazilian Real, which has an interest rate of over 15% and has been steadily appreciating against all currencies, with little retracement.Conclusion:Remember there are two key components of a carry trade, and these are the same as investing into dividend paying stocks. The income is nice and can provide a nice downside cushion, but you also have to make an informed decision on the direction of the currency (stock) in the hopes of it appreciating in value (or at least depreciating less than the interest rate cushion).

I find the opportunities in currencies to be very fascinating, so please look forward to further communications in regards to other strategies that I find to be relatively profitable.

This analysis does not take into account spread costs and taxes. If you should have any questions, please feel free to comment below.

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Yuan is better than yen for going short and TRY’s interest rate is the highest.
Just aware of the coming elections in Turkey.First one is for president and the other general election.

TK
from Turkey

Thank you for the info.

I have a question how do you perform a carry trade.

My trading company has a value date of 2 business days, so if I try and perform a carry trade the interest is only for 2 days.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Joel
Canada

Joel,

The carry trade in the examples that I have used on my website are meant for long-term/intermediate-term investing. The reason that the carry trade would not be suitable for short-term investing is because the spread costs would eat up the majority of the interest payments. Even if you bought the Turkish Lira (which is yielding about 16.5% per annum) and sold the US Dollar (-5.925% per annum) on Friday right before the close of the Forex market for the weekend, the spread cost for $1,000 worth of currency would be about -$1.071, and the daily positive interest payment is about $.31 per day. This does not include any currency price movements, which could add or subtract to your position’s value.

Because of the spread cost of dealing in Exotic currency pairs, the carry trade would not be suitable strategy for the short-term trading that you are looking for. I hope that helps explain your question.

A question for you about your company’s trading policy since you have a value date of 2 business days, does that mean that you close out all positions after two days of initiating them?

Please feel free to e-mail me at bryan@thefinancialwhiz.com with any further questions. I would be more than happy to discuss with you any of the strategies that I have on my site.

Hi Brian,

I opened a practise account on Oanda.com. How do I go long lira and short Yuan?

Thanks again for your help.

Joel

It depends on the amount of leverage you want to use for the trade. Typically when you start an Oanda practice account you start out with $100,000 in your Account Balance, lets say that I wanted to leverage the TRY/CNY trade at 3x (which is deemed very conservative). This would mean that you would go long (Buy) 300,000 units worth USD/CNY and short (sell) 300,000 units worth of USD/TRY. By taking these positions you are creating a synthetic position of TRY/CNY, by having the USD exposure cancelled out by opposing positions.

On a daily basis you would receive $48.69 on the long USD/CNY trade and $92.67 from the short USD/TRY trade, giving you a total of $141.36 in interest received per day or roughly $51,596.40 a year (51.60% in interest per year). Mind you this does not include currency movements, but it does provide for a nice cushion if the currencies were to move against you (but remember any movement is magnified by the leverage multiple).

I hope that helped answer your question.

Bryan

Thank you Bryan,

You da Man. I have a final question(hopefully), regarding value dates.

Here is a typical trading platform policy:

Traditionally inter-bank foreign exchange transactions are settled on pre-arranged value dates. In other words if a trader sells 1 million EUR against USD spot on Wednesday, that means he must deliver the value of 1 million Euros on Friday in order to receive the USD equivalent sum based on the exchange rate agreed upon. (settlement dates in the spot market are valued on a 2 working day basis).

How do I keep a postion open longer than 2 days? Do I keep renrewing a position? Or does it matter at all if I am using Oanda.com?

Probably a pretty dumb question.

Still would like to know,

Thanks again,

Joel

Hi Bryan,

With regard to the last example that you posted would I need 600,000 units worth of currency in order to perform the trade?

Thank you,

Joel

Joel,

I understand now, thank you for the explanation. Oanda.Com, offers its clients the ability to trade the Spot FX Market, therefore no settlement or delivery is required, all of the administrative work would be handled by Oanda. For more information about how this works, please visit: http://fxtrade.oanda.com/about/about_fxtrade.shtml

With Oanda, you can keep your position(s) open indefinitely, as long as you meet the margin requirements. You are also able to receive interest continuously, meaning that for a position open 1 hour you will collect (pay) the interest rate differential for 1/24 of the entire interest payment for the day.

The 600,000 units example that I used in my previous reply can be made to fit your account. For example, if I had an account balance of $1,000, I could purchase 1,000 units of USD/CNY and sell 1,000 units of the USD/TRY, creating a synthetic position of 1,000 units of the TRY/CNY pair. This would create a 1x position, if I wanted to create a 3x position, I would buy 3,000 units of USD/CNY and sell 3,000 units of USD/TRY. With Oanda, you can choose your position size, that enables you to purchase as little as 1 unit ($1). Oanda is specifically catered to the small retail investor by allowing people this flexibility in their transaction sizes.

Does that help to clear up your questions?

Bryan

I am sure what has changed, but CNY is now being charge -0.5% interest to sell…thus bring the interest rate down to 4.425% on a long usdcny….the short USDTRY is still as mentioned. The insterest is still great but in total is only 15.5%
per annum, which is great with some gearing.
Bascially 100k of both will earn about $43 per day.

so far I have just been shorting the EURTRY because of the wider differential, however this synthetic is nice.

I have an Oanda account and never seen the TRYCNY pair. Where can find a broker that offers this pair?

Thank you

*I have responded to this via email, just thought I would post the reply to Patrick’s question*

Hi Patrick,

I am glad that you have found the information on the site useful. Oanda does not offer this pair as a pair to trade, but don’t fret, you can “synthetically” create it. Although this is not necessarily idea, I still think the TRYCNY pair is an ideal carry trade pair.

To create the “synthetic” TRYCNY pair, you must decide how much leverage you are going to choose to employ (I typically use around 3x, which works itself out to about 50% return from interest a year). So for example, I chose to trade this pair at 3x my account balance, and for arguments sake the account size is $1,000. To create the first leg of the TRYCNY, I would need to go short 3,000 units of the USD/TRY (short Dollar/long Lira), now my exposure is now long $3,000 worth of Turkish Lira and short $3,000 worth of USD. To create the second leg of this trade, I would go long 3,000 units worth of the USD/CNY pair (long Dollar/short Yuan). The two USD exposures cancel each other out, giving you a position that is long $3,000 worth of Lira and short $3,000 worth of Yuan. Even though you have technically used up $6,000 worth of margin, you are still technically only leveraged at 3x since you have only two exposures.

Definitely test this out first, I have since took some profits on my USD/TRY position, usually it will slowly go in the right direction and then quickly shoot up in the wrong direction, I think that one of those is coming soon, which makes for a very attractive entry point.

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Bryan

Brian:

Very interesting concept. I have been trading the USD/TRY (short) for a couple of weeks enjoying both the swaps payment as well as capital gains. My question is on creating the synthetic TRY/CNY trade by going long USD/short CNY. While the swap is attrative, what about the capital loss you will incur from the USD/CRY decline (see daily chart). With china on the rise and usa on decline, I expect this direction to continue thus creating capital loss in the USD/CRY long pair. I assume you have taken this into account but I would like to hear your reasoning.
Thanks

Kzambo@houston.rr.com

sorry. Bryan. My bad.

Brian,

Where can you trade the Brazilian Real? I’m with Oanda and I do not think they offer it. Thanks for your help.

Hi Brian,
Thank you for your generous sharing.
I am having a very hard time finding a live chart of TRY/CNY, and of TRY/JPY.
Any idea where one can find it?
(for example where did you get the charts you posted from?)

Thank you for your help!

Gavriel.

Gavriel,

The site I use to find charts on synthetic currency pairs (pairs that are not typically offered through a broker, but can be created) is Google Finance.

To get a chart of the TRY/CNY you would go to http://finance.google.com/finance?q=TRYCNY

To get a chart of the TRY/JPY you would go to
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=TRYJPY

To look at other pairs you would just type the two currencies into the search bar in Google Finance (ie. to look at the TRY and CHF, you would type in TRYCHF and then click on search.

This free option does not have the capabilities of a fee-based service where you would be able to look at different technicals, it does give a pretty good picture of the performance of the pair.

Let me know if you have any further questions.

Bryan

Garry,

I only have an account with Oanda and they currently do not have the Brazilian Real available to trade.

A quick Google search found this company Trade Land FX (http://tradelandfx.com/). I have not researched this company, so you may want to read reviews about their service first.

I am anxiously waiting the day when Oanda offers trading in the Real. Please keep me posted if you come across any other brokers offering the Real.

Best of luck,

Bryan

Bryan, I wondering whether you could help me with some advice and excuse my ignorance!
I am keen to try and take advantage of the circa 16% IR in Turkey. I have two questions:

1) If I have cash at my disposal is there a better way to take advantage of this rather than fx trading?

2) As long as I don’t leverage and say use the pair of £ against TRY is my only risk that the TRY might fall in value? Just to be sure (and because I am simple!) may I give an example?

I make an investment of £10k in this couple. The IR differential is say 16%-6% ie 10%. I hold the position for 1 year and so get £1000 in interest payments. In that year the TRY falls by 20% and I therefore lose £1k.

Many thanks

Hi Brian,

Love you concept, but what happens if the USD depreciated against the CNY. But the USD appreciated against the TRY. How does this affect the trade, and if your worst possible situation lets say you were using 10:1 on your money and it dropped 20% wouldnt you be getting a margin call from oanda.

Thanks

Hi Brian,

I should add in your calculation above for the Situation where the TRY/CNY Dropped 20%. I think you worked it out wrong.

If your leveraged at 2:1 your earning 2×18% = 36%. Your statements say that a 20% drop still leaves you with 18% cussioning.

But this is not true because if you using 2:1 on yoru money wouldn’t a 20% actually be 40% on your unleveraged money.

Please correct me if i’m wrong and also answer my previous question above.

Thansk very much for your time

Hi Bryan,

i’m a portfolio manager at Citi SB - and i first wanted to say that i really enjoy reading your ideas and find them very helpful - thank you

second, in regards to USD/TRY - are you still bullish on that trade and will you do it without leverage?

thanks
RCF

Roy,

Thanks for the question.

I am not as bullish as I once was on the short USD/TRY trade because I think the US Dollar is due for a quick push upwards before it continues its slide back into oblivion. The interest, however, warrants the position to be held, mainly due to the fact that at 1:1 leverage, the USD/TRY would have to rise to about 1.40 in order for you to lose money over the next year on this trade (1.20 USD/TRY rate * 1 + 16.5% interest rate). I think the cushion is good enough to warrant a continued short in this pair.

However, if you are looking to get in the trade, I would wait for the quick jump upwards, which historically has been the case every couple months and buy in at that time. This most likely will occur when “the street” starts talking about the Yen Carry Trade ending yet again.

I have been experimenting with a hedge in trading the Turkish Lira and found that combining a short EUR/TRY with a long EUR/HUF (Hungarian Forint), creating a synthetic long TRY short HUF position looks to perform well since both are considered exotic and emerging currencies and behave similarly since they are close in vicinity to each other globally. The key difference is that you are receiving 16.25% in interest from the short EUR/TRY trade and paying out 8.00% in the long EUR/HUF trade, netting a difference of about 8.25%, which if you leverage this 2x, you might get a similar interest payment as a 1:1 USD/TRY short with less volatility since the emerging currencies tend to be correlated with each other.

Please let me know if you have any further questions regarding the USD/TRY or any other currency pairs.

Bryan

Indus,

My apologies for my delay in responding to your comment.

1) I have only looked at Turkey in the form of its currency, there is one product that comes to mind if you are a US investor and that is the Turkish Investment Fund (TKF), which is a closed-end fund that invests Turkish companies. I haven’t looked at the prospectus but I assume that any increase in the Turkish Lira will benefit your investment since the fund will be investing Lira.

2) There are two risks, the TRY would fall in value or the GBP would rise in value. The fact remains that you are working with an interest cushion on your side. You are correct in saying that you will receive the 10% interest differential, but you also need to take into account the interest you will be paid on your account balance, so if you have 10,000 pounds in your account balance you would be paid 5.7% in interest on your 10,000 balance, which pays you an additional 570 pounds a year, giving you an interest rate differential of 15.7% instead of the 10% you were initially calculating with. But you are correct in the fact that if the GBP/TRY rises (against your position) more than 15.7% a year you will lose money on this trade.

Let me know if you have any further questions.

Bryan

Bryan,
Thanks for all the info. Can you reccomend some books on this subject that might be of help to the individual investor?

Hi Bryan,

Is it possible to hedge a carry trade….basically being market neutral and earning interests…..which pair would work /

im also wondering if its possible to hedge TRY to be market netural.

thanks!

hi, im looking to change some GBP into New Turk Lira and invest it in high interest but the lira value has dropped a fair bit in value. Will this continue and if so what does this mean for my investment?

lee

Dear friends,
I am working in an investment bank in London and we have been shorted USD/TRY for last two years. Now we are closing all the positions. Turkish economy has some problems because of this high interest rate, operations to terorists in North Iraq, extreme foreign trade deficit because of cheap USD and EUR. So, while calculating 15% profit gain from TRY, you may lose 60% of your money. Turkey is very risky country and their currency is 70% overvalued against 17 developed countries’ currencies. Be careful!! The explosion may be soon. Kees

hi, I guess it is good idea to be long in USD against New Turkish Lira. The parity may be shifted up to 1.45 levels suddenly. Good Luck!

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